[A portal appears beside Masamune's head, indicating an incoming "call", but it doesn't quite complete. Instead, it's the rough equivalent of a knock, asking permission to come in before actually doing so. The person on the other end is either being particularly cautious or thoughtfully polite.
Either way, it will wait as long as it needs to for an answer.]
Masamune blinks, looking at it before trying to glance around it and see... what is it doing?? Is it actually knocking, how does it knock? How does he answer? Is it going to open like a door and someone can walk through?? Geez, it's so suspenseful! ]
... Uh... uhh... come ... in? [ what else is he supposed to say? Is there a better greeting... ]
[Masamune may note that while Gilgamesh sounds the same on the surface, his tone lacks a certain forcefulness that was present before. In its place, there's something like... not submission, but a willingness to bargain. Or, perhaps more shockingly still, a willingness to listen.
There may also be a slight anxiety present, but he's endeavoring to cover that up as much as he can.]
I understand you've certain grievances. And I would hear them, if such is your inclination to express.
Well yeah, that kind of thing sort of happens when you try to force feed organs to women before kidnapping them. You want someone to love you so badly you go and do everything the type of love you long for isn't—that never sounded like a bad idea to you even just a little?
But you're not here for that. So, how about you just tell me what you need to fix your shit and we get it done. I'll tell Hakuno you did whatever you are expected to do to avoid incensing her any further, yeah? Then you can work back into her good graces with your own efforts from there.
Let me see... Our religion has no worship of gods, the only ones mentioned are from manuscripts collectively known as the Vedas. But we are told specifically they are all unworthy of worship or reverence and so we reject them.
Instead, we follow the teachings of the Buddha, who we believe is the one who found the way to enlightenment and liberated himself from the samsara, which we are all doomed to suffer. The ultimate desire is we reach nirvana, to be relieved of the pain being unenlightened causes us. Until we do, we only can hope for suffering and pain— to live and die and repeat the cycle until we make it—if we ever make it, I guess.
So... maybe the more correct answer is we do acknowledge gods, but find these originators to be abhorrent and unworthy beings, only having caused us pain and suffering. Our goal is to best them and escape what they've wrought onto man.
[He can't exactly disagree with that line of thinking, even if it intrudes upon his metaphor. It's another reminder that this man doesn't always act he expects—not swearing him out, for one, even if expected it and would've begrudgingly accepted it.
But maybe that was for the best. He hums, thinking aloud.]
There is indeed a pattern throughout history, in which man has been taught to fear the gods. The gods, who exist so far above them; the gods, capricious and fierce, who cause pain, who bring suffering, who stand apart from their own creations. Siddhartha is a rare religious figurehead to walk a different path.
[He speaks with a great degree of familiarity on the subject, which begs the question of why he even asked to begin with.]
In my time, a union between a god and a man was considered taboo. Such a being that would result from it... what do you think they might be like?
[ As someone who walks a fine line in fascination with the Christian religion and its teaching, the treatment that many who are intolerant of the religion perhaps show just how awful and unworthy they believe the gods must be. It extends beyond simple normal blasphemy and allegiance to their own god(s), when the religious who persecute do so in the name of a religion that worships only a teaching that will get them to achieve a certain state of liberation.
Perhaps the merciless persecution of Christians, particularly the ones to come under "the child of the sun" who will unite the warring states, eventually... display just how evil and wrong the feeling is that a god be worshipped. A god that loves? One that has no wrath, will always forgive, will never abandon you in your darkest moments when you reach for him, even if you have turned on him and pushed him away countless times... this concept of such a deity is unheard of across most religions.
(What else would a dragon respond with to such an anomaly of defiance to reject everything before it other than fascination?)
Masamune actually does not wonder why Gilgamesh asks despite his knowledge. What Is does not equate to every mortal's interpretation. That's how you get any religion to be twisted and justify the unacceptable nature of man most reject on principle. How peaceful teachings can suddenly lead to war and unjust persecution. So, in light of that, for a union between a god and a mortal... It depends, he wants to say—says in his mind, but that, he imagines, also probably defeats the purpose of what Gilgamesh is trying to convey.
However, instead of simply giving a single word answer, he decides to think on it a little further, to offer something of more substance that focuses on the sole affecting condition for this talk: this offspring is the result of taboo to begin with, regardless of all else, and thus itself is the same. ]
Someone who... belongs nowhere by the viewpoint of either world, and they feel that they themselves are alien in regards to both humans and gods. They can't fit in, because they possess traits from the other kind that makes it impossible in both realms. I think they would be isolated and very alone.
A child of Misfortune.
[ ...and that's only the baseline concept, without any it colored by life or choice or any influence whatsoever. ]
You cannot blame the fire for its nature; it was born to destroy. All the records of this child, who soon became a man, speak of his wildness. This child, who soon became a man, who then became a tyrant... because he belonged everywhere and nowhere, he stood on his own, a great shadow cast behind him.
...he had one friend in all the world, and in the end, abandoned him as well.
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Either way, it will wait as long as it needs to for an answer.]
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Masamune blinks, looking at it before trying to glance around it and see... what is it doing?? Is it actually knocking, how does it knock? How does he answer? Is it going to open like a door and someone can walk through?? Geez, it's so suspenseful! ]
... Uh... uhh... come ... in? [ what else is he supposed to say? Is there a better greeting... ]
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Masamune Date.
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...Yes, it is me.
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[Masamune may note that while Gilgamesh sounds the same on the surface, his tone lacks a certain forcefulness that was present before. In its place, there's something like... not submission, but a willingness to bargain. Or, perhaps more shockingly still, a willingness to listen.
There may also be a slight anxiety present, but he's endeavoring to cover that up as much as he can.]
I understand you've certain grievances. And I would hear them, if such is your inclination to express.
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Is this the same as the one that told you I went and sabatoged your relationship with your master by talking shit?
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Hakuno's ire is my own to bear, without any intervention from you.
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But you're not here for that. So, how about you just tell me what you need to fix your shit and we get it done. I'll tell Hakuno you did whatever you are expected to do to avoid incensing her any further, yeah? Then you can work back into her good graces with your own efforts from there.
[ is it good enough? ]
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[So that's a no.]
I have a separate inquiry for you.
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...We don't believe in gods.
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Oh?
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Instead, we follow the teachings of the Buddha, who we believe is the one who found the way to enlightenment and liberated himself from the samsara, which we are all doomed to suffer. The ultimate desire is we reach nirvana, to be relieved of the pain being unenlightened causes us. Until we do, we only can hope for suffering and pain— to live and die and repeat the cycle until we make it—if we ever make it, I guess.
So... maybe the more correct answer is we do acknowledge gods, but find these originators to be abhorrent and unworthy beings, only having caused us pain and suffering. Our goal is to best them and escape what they've wrought onto man.
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[He can't exactly disagree with that line of thinking, even if it intrudes upon his metaphor. It's another reminder that this man doesn't always act he expects—not swearing him out, for one, even if expected it and would've begrudgingly accepted it.
But maybe that was for the best. He hums, thinking aloud.]
There is indeed a pattern throughout history, in which man has been taught to fear the gods. The gods, who exist so far above them; the gods, capricious and fierce, who cause pain, who bring suffering, who stand apart from their own creations. Siddhartha is a rare religious figurehead to walk a different path.
[He speaks with a great degree of familiarity on the subject, which begs the question of why he even asked to begin with.]
In my time, a union between a god and a man was considered taboo. Such a being that would result from it... what do you think they might be like?
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Perhaps the merciless persecution of Christians, particularly the ones to come under "the child of the sun" who will unite the warring states, eventually... display just how evil and wrong the feeling is that a god be worshipped. A god that loves? One that has no wrath, will always forgive, will never abandon you in your darkest moments when you reach for him, even if you have turned on him and pushed him away countless times... this concept of such a deity is unheard of across most religions.
(What else would a dragon respond with to such an anomaly of defiance to reject everything before it other than fascination?)
Masamune actually does not wonder why Gilgamesh asks despite his knowledge. What Is does not equate to every mortal's interpretation. That's how you get any religion to be twisted and justify the unacceptable nature of man most reject on principle. How peaceful teachings can suddenly lead to war and unjust persecution. So, in light of that, for a union between a god and a mortal... It depends, he wants to say—says in his mind, but that, he imagines, also probably defeats the purpose of what Gilgamesh is trying to convey.
However, instead of simply giving a single word answer, he decides to think on it a little further, to offer something of more substance that focuses on the sole affecting condition for this talk: this offspring is the result
of taboo to begin with, regardless of all else, and thus itself is the same. ]
Someone who... belongs nowhere by the viewpoint of either world, and they feel that they themselves are alien in regards to both humans and gods. They can't fit in, because they possess traits from the other kind that makes it impossible in both realms. I think they would be isolated and very alone.
A child of Misfortune.
[ ...and that's only the baseline concept, without any it colored by life or choice or any influence whatsoever. ]
Like you.
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You cannot blame the fire for its nature; it was born to destroy. All the records of this child, who soon became a man, speak of his wildness. This child, who soon became a man, who then became a tyrant... because he belonged everywhere and nowhere, he stood on his own, a great shadow cast behind him.
...he had one friend in all the world, and in the end, abandoned him as well.
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